Lit - General post NJO Discussion thread. (2024)

Does that make K'kruhk the first Pope of Star Wars? Lit - General post NJO Discussion thread. (1)
That's a very interesting scenario, i feel that Jacen would definetly purposefully set himself up as the monster for a grown up Allana to defeat, however, i think that, as it was clear in the narrative of how Caedus becomes increasingly more dark, with his initial goals being undermined by his later actions (such as when at first he wanted to save Luke but then he didin't care for him, and later actively tried to kill him), as soon as Allana is truly a challenge for him, he will begin to actually resist her and try to kill his own daughter eventually, and try to seize power for himself forever, only for him to be finally defeated by Allana and her allies.

What i'm saying is, in a way, if Caedus won against Jaina, he would defeat himself, but wouldn't exactly win, he is always moving the goalpost, eventually, what he set up catches up with him, and in spite of originally wanting to unite the galaxy, he becomes fearful of an united galaxy against him.

@Ghost Yeah i agree, it's like they forgot that they weren't just fighting against tyrants, but for democracy lol, sometimes i look at it that way, in that progression of constantly militarized and authoritarian goverments and it feels depressing compared to the hopeful nature of the establishment of the NR early in the EU and even the hopeful ending of ROTJ.

I also agree that the ST does a better job in keeping with the theme of democracy being the ideal people should strive for, even when it fails, that the fight is as good of a legacy as success, however on another hand i feel that while the ST does a good job in staying true to the original "for democracy" message, it doesn't bring much new to the table compared to ROTJ's already satisfying ending and what other pre-OT stories such as Rouge One say, to a better degree than the ST, i think Jyn, Galen, Cassian, and all the characters in Rouge One sell the message that the best legacy you can leave sometimes is the fight itself, to inspire those that will win, kind of like what Luthen says, that he's sacrificing himself for a future he will never see.

One aspect i do like about the Triumvirate at the end of Legacy: War and to a lesser extent in Legacy Vol. 2, is the feeling that over time the galaxy is becoming more and more united with each endpoint of an era in the post-ROTJ EU, and this way of looking at it kinda makes me see things on a more positive perspective than the other way:

By the end of the NR era, with the Hand of Thrawn Duology, the Republic and Empire finally decide to make peace, and Talon Karrde becomes the de-facto underground intelligence keeping both sides from sabotaging each other, which means the Empire couldn't turn against the Republic again

By the end of the NJO, at the time, the GA was potrayed as this unified goverment thar revamped the New Republic's politics, with the Jedi fully involved now and the Empire integrated as a part of it (something that i don't think is necessarily a bad thing, much like hereditary monarchies like the Hapes Consortium and straight up Empires like the Tetan Empire were part of the Republic/GA; the small Imperial Remnant wouldn't be any different as a member of what the GA seemed to be at the time), of course this didin't last long and Post-NJO books reinterpreted the GA as just the NR but with a new name, but the intention at the time of the NJO i feel was for more of an unified goverment.

And finally in Legacy, the GA and the Empire are united in one goverment, the Jedi are now in equal footing to the goverment, not servants, and even the Yuuzhan Vong were revindicated and reformed, the only enemies were the Sith, the Sith ironically unified the entire galaxy against them much like they accidentally created the Rebels all those years ago.

Which is why i tend to see the different EU "finales" (HoT, TUF, and Legacy: War) as each taking things to the next level after ROTJ's ending, and why i always said that Legacy War was my favorite finale for Star Wars, when i look it in that optimistic light, perhaps it is the optimist in me that wants to believe that eventually the Triumvirate transitions into a just and truly representative goverment (something i don't think real world democracies truly achieve, with a system being controlled by economic interests), or maybe this is the 15 year old in me who read Legacy for the first time 10 years ago and fell in love with the EU because of that series and i just like the neding better than others because of nostalgia lol, but still, i think this "unification" narrative is worth considering and i think it adds a different level instead of just a repeat of ROTJ.

Perhaps Krayt was right in the galaxy needing a death and a rebirth, to become better at the end, even if it was in a different way than what he envisioned and misinterpreted, perhaps he himself was just an expression of that death, even if he didin't realize at the time, and Cade was the one that was meant to be the rebirth, which is fitting, the final generation of the Skywalkers, so many years after the Vong War, ending this ghost of the past, of the times before even the Clone Wars, tainted by death from even before his conception, his father only sired him in the sands of Tattooine because he exiled himself after his homeworld was destroyed with his original family included, he was trained by this grief-sicken Jedi, then experienced the death of this father, then the death of the Order that adopted him and showed him peace, his love and his peace were killed, A'sharad was always marked by death, so he would be the galaxy's death, he believed he would be the new dawn, the rebirth, but he was mistaken, that wasn't his place, this is why he was drawn to Cade, one who had the innate ability to produce a rebirth in spite of all odds, and also why Krayt was obsessed with gaining this power of life, he mastered death, he wanted to master life, but he was always only death.

This could be the reason for Krayt's vision and why he believed it would bring a new and better order, remember Force visions aren't entirely clear to the viewer, he got that impression, that feeling, and he interpreted as to say his Sith Order would bring a new galaxy, but in reality, it was the menace his Sith posed that helped bring a better age for everyone else upon their destruction, he was set up to be destroyed from his own visions, in this way this ties to what Invictus said about Jacen if he won, Krayt was basically in this position to be "the monster" for a better future to be created upon his destruction, even if he believed he was the one creating the future.

Maybe one could say that the Sith are "oppressed" by the Whills (Will of the Force), being used in such a way to unite everybody, maybe the Sith are the real underdogs in a war against the Force itself, who is the real monster (much like Plagueis and Traya believed).

Or maybe the next step in the overall narrative, if it continued past the Legacy: War status quo, would be for the Sith to finally know peace and be reintegrated to the Jedi, much like how Ajunta Pall himself was already redeemed by Revan (which is the canon path according to KOTOR 2), perhaps this is what Nihl's new "Underground One Sith" would have led to, if we ever got a more extended post-Legacy story (instead of the rushed ending of Legacy Vol. 2).

Crucible seems to imply that Luke wants to make peace with the Lost Tribe, to seek understanding between Jedi and Sith to finally end all wars, of course this never materialized, i reckon the One Sith wiped out the Lost Tribe, or the Tribe attempted their own war and the Jedi defeated them, wiping them out (this is what the Sword of the Jedi cover seems to imply with Jaina standing against all the Sith in the senate), but the idea is there for potential exploration in a future era, a redemption of all the Sith would be interesting, for them to be brought back home after over 7000 years of making war with their Jedi brothers.

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